2. MrFlexo. Awards. Very little is known about. Good luck. But whatever number you get is still going to be higher than the bottomed out natty level that results from the suppression. Test is very cheap, like>$35 a vial cheapBut a "test base" can be test, 4-andro, epiandro, DHEA, etc etc. It is advised to cycle 4 Andro for approximately six to eight weeks, followed by PCT. Week 4 - 20mg Ostarine. I grew up during the prohormone time when it was otc. Helps prevent side effects. . 4 Andro will suppress your natural testosterone production requiring a pct. This thread is archived. 1 andro cream converts to dhb or 1 testosterone which is very similar to masteron or primo (NOT HAIR SAFE) I was. In my opinion 4 weeks is too short. You buy Testosterone and inject it. Then the answer would be "USE TEST". Here's my post-cycle routine. Ive got away with 220 mgs personally on lgd 8 weeks cycle. A ridiculous dose of 4 andro is no worse than a shot of test other than the wallet hurting. Transdermal Epiandro vs Oral. As for what test base you should take, since clearly your a beginner I would recommend just going with dermacrine, Epi-Andro or 4-andro. They compliment each other nicely. Awards 1. I think you would want minimum 100-150mg a day if you are just trying to use it as a test base Edit: Apparently the conversion rate of 4andro to testosterone is only around 5-15% so I think around ~100mg of 4andro a day might be sufficient (natty test production is around 3-10mg per day). Ehh I believe it's fine dependant on dose and topical vs oral. I got by with 4 pumps a day with the 4 andro cream on a rad 140. Fucking syoked. Haha guessing that's a hard no then? Its $100 for less than two weeks worth at 300mg which is the minimum you have to take for it to even be somewhat effective. you body making enzymes 3hsb 17hsb - enzymes conversion andro to 1-test , (target hormones) in limited in time and resource dosage. 4-andro is basically as a base (I. New. BigRed9091 • 5 yr. It can be stacked with Ephedra, Epi-andro, Epistane, 19 nor andro etc. Any recommendations on Test/DHT. I’m just wondering like what the best stack of prohormones would be. My only experience with PEDs is with 1-andro and 4-andro, so the Anavar and 11-keto are new for me. 3 pumps a day. Supports Muscle Mass†. You don't need the 1 andro though, the point of a base is for the estrogen conversion, the sarm replaces the test. No. Iv read that 4 andro is a good test base or stanodrol (can't get my hands on the real stuff) Iv run mulitiple cyles in the past with no test base. Those that have cycled with 4-Androsterone or other prohormones may take anywhere from 100-200mg of 4-DHEA. 📩 Automatically receive MPMD articles when they are published: (Gorilla. I did a 12 week RAD cycle and used a SERM and 4-andro as a base and had an amazing cycle other than the fucking awful hair loss. Awards 3. (4ad / andro - or testosterone) Hope that helps. 4-Andro is the test base that. Yes 4 andro is a base androgen you can use. It helps combat sides, similar to a test base, but from DHT not test. Additional comment actions. a big pct is often required. It acts as an anabolic steroid without the adverse effects. Awards 4. You will need to have a pharma AI on hand with a Test base. Liver support won't harm you though. Alpha gainz 4 andro TD is 150mg 4 andro per ML. ago. Overview. Improves Immune Function. there isn't much getting converted to test to begin with. It also reduces IFG-1 production which will help keep the. Yes I have. so 4-andro at 330 a day ends up roughly 115mg test a week (trt dose). 1. Just what I heard though, not vouching for it but interested in what people have to say. Mar 9, 2017. . If I had to venture a guess, I would say no. 4andro blows I wouldn't even bother using it. . 4andro as a base. Even on trt I've seen some ppl have issues on 1 andro. 5mg EoD had his natural test was on the high end come the end of the cycle. 🌟 #sarms #steroids #dangers FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM : ⇝ @russolifts : 16 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A ferdumorze • 1 yr. Increases Libido. But it’s not going to make meaningful changes in the context of increasing gains. . so I wouldn’t recommend it as a test base. e replace natural levels) while 1-andro does the work. Of course not. thebigt. Gaming. bignastyisbac said: If one were to use 4-dhea as a test base, what sort of dosage would be solid to run to combat lethargy? I know that typically 330mg+ for the oral. I'm gonna use hcg on cycle cause of how badly s-23 shuts those hormones down. If you are going to take a ‘test base’ why not get andro test from predator - better conversion rate to test. 330 mgs daily of 4 dhea is perfect. 4-Andro is another oral alternative to testosterone injections. I know alot of people are not fans of this I understand the side effects however with that being said I've ran 400mg's before and put on a respectable 15 pounds and about 10lbs of it being muscle in 4 weeks with insane strength gains. Hi tech pharms has superdol which is 1,4 andro but u want to take a higher dosage than they recommend to see results. It works perfectly as a Test-base when running a cycle of AAS. ago. May 8, 2016 #8 In. - 🧪 The seven most common test base practices in the SARMs community are SARM + SERM, DHEA, 4-ANDRO, Dianabol, HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin), Oral Estrogen, and Testosterone Injections. Yes you could do a 4andro only cycle. Then. 3. How does 4-Andro sound as a test base for a 6-8 week cycle of D-Bol? No pinning. My doubt is if is better a stack like: - 1 andro TD high dose 250mg + 450mg epiandro cyclodextrine Or something like: -Low dose 1 andro TD Like. But for some it gets too dry and get lethargic very quick on something like Epistane. Of course you'd have an increase in aromatization and down-regulation of the HPTA after 3 months (12-weeks). ago. A Test base will keep your levels from getting completely destroyed. So you could use that, or real test. Thanks all! Depends on what your taking and how it. This is why you don’t even need to PCT on them, they aren’t able to fully metabolize in the liver to test. Lmfao. In most cases, it is best to take 4-Andro from 6 to 8 weeks at a time and then take a break for the same period of time, as well as get proper post-cycle therapy. #11. Last cycle i took 220mg a day of oral 4 andro by olympus labs and had good results, never felt suppressed during my 8 week run and libido stayed strong. rad140 is a dry compound so you could add 4-andro or dermacrine for some aswell or you might get dry joints or low E sides. 1. Didnt like it. I was sent 2 bottles of 4-Andro, and will be dosing the product at 2 caps a day (100mg of 4-Andro) as directed for a total of 60. But, if you insist on andro test base use epi andro. Running at base doses you should be okay though. Starting my RAD-140 10mg/ml stack with MK-677 12. Dermacrine is around half the price. I got stacked sarms in all in 1 capsule so avoid taking so many pills, was taking like 8 at a time with andro stack. Feb 26, 2015. Recommended Dose/Cycle Length For 1-Andro. Only 4 andro or test Edit: to answer your questions, keep taking the DHEA throughout your cycle, even after if you want, but DHEA will not be strong enough on its own to recover your test if its needed. As far as PCT I would run nolva 20/20/10/10 and if you would like you could throw in a test booster or OTC PCT of your choice. So apparently 4-andro converts 15% of it's mg dosage to testosterone. #2. No ostarine will just supress you ,the 4 andro wich converts to real Test will shut you down complitely and you will need pct 1000%. Apr 28, 2016. any how, what would you guys suggest as boost add on. This reduces the side effects of SARM's, PH's and AAS's such as lethargy and loss of libido. Don’t use steel, complete sham for the money. The fusion product probably contains at least 25mg of ph. but I should add that I was also running OL's epiando with it. 4-Andro is the test base that ensures a healthy androgen-to-estrogen ratio. 1. People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does . My goal is to keep my gainz while my natural test returns: Tomixifin daily for 5 weeks at 40/20/10/10. It uses Rapid Dissolve "Effervescent" Absorption(RDE). 4 Andro as a test base? I've heard some conflicting anecdotes in regards to people using 4 Andro as a test base while on a compound like RAD or LGD. Cycle Support: OL ar1macare pro, 2. ago. Rad83 Well-known member. ago. I’ve found one source for 4ad but it’s expensive at the quantity needed. Just my 2 cents, 25mg should be the max dose of Ostarine you use without shutting yourself down. 4 dhea does covert to estrogen metabolites at a low rate. Just finished purchasing everything. derektbaker • 1 yr. People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does . Restores Natural Testosterone Levels. Cycle Logs. 4-andro is basically as a base (I. Maybe Hcg to keep your fsh and LH hormones up. Plus, 4 andro is a test base and should help with lethargy. use 4 andro or just get test. 4-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one, better known as 4-Andro, is a prohormone that is proven to convert into testosterone. What do you prefer as a base. ago. Looking to start a test only cycle, but I would like to avoid the dark web for test and gear in general. Or actual injectable testosterone any ester. Secondly, fitness experts and workout enthusiasts have varying suggestions on daily dosage. Helps Strength & Power†. Nov 10, 2016. It says to take 150mg a day so take 300mg a day. Started by BillD;With 4 andro as a test base you should have a much more enjoyable run this time. By using 4-Andro as a “test base”, users are able to extend their SARMs cycles further than the normal 6-8 weeks. ♦️TRY MORE IRONMAG LABS PRODUCTS♦️Super 1-Andro - here we go on s23. Or sup3r dhea from primeval labs but i heard its super liquidy. BPS Dermacrine 4-Andro Epi-Andro (DHT Base) I was under the impression that 4-Andro isn’t that amazing by itself, but works as a good test base for other pro hormones. Only taking 4-Andro is like taking low dosages of testosterone because it has such a low conversion rate (like say you’re taking 100mg a day, only about 10% actually ends up as testosterone in your system, so it would be. I had done a baby cycle with 1-andro and alpha af but as you can imagine it did nothing so I count this as my first legit cycle. Feb 18, 2017 #3 Thank you for the info much appreciated. 1-Andro gave me heavy lethargy even with 4 Andro and epiandro. To me, the risk/reward profile is ass backwards rather than just running test, 4-andro, DHEA. 4-Andro is a test base. Ostarine barely suppressed my test but really suppressed my shbg so I had high estrogen sides on it. I'd go with real test tbh. if I recall correctly (And it’s been a while so could be wrong) 4-ad converts about 15. Backround: Three Andro runs (epiandro, 1/4/epiandro And 4/epiandro) and a bunch of SARM runs. . Does one capsule has 125mg active ingredient (Cyclo-4-ADiol) or how much 4ad at the end does one capsule has? Is cyclo 4-adiol 4ad or is it a pre substance of it,when yes how much real active 4ad is in one capsule. Dermacrine test base: 5 pumps per day for individuals who are 200+ lbs. Electronic-Drive5078 • 3 mo. As far as PCT I would run nolva 20/20/10/10 and if you would like you could throw in a test booster or OTC PCT of your choice. 4-Andro is a compound that converts to testosterone is primarily used as a test base for 1-Andro cycles or any other suppressive SARM like RAD140, LGD-4033, or S-23. Any thoughts on adding this mid cycle? Was thinking 150mg for the final 4 weeks of the cycle. I’m trying 4 andro as a base, and tamoxifen as my pct. The Andro Project: Physiological and hormonal influences of androstenedione supplementation in men 35 to 65 years old participating in a high-intensity resistance. Some DHT blocker. 1-Andros are typically considered to be lean or cutting prohormones and deliver benefits like increased strength, increased lean muscle mass, and often. It’s 1 step to test, not to be confused for 4 andro. Andro the Giant is a giant value and a strong holder of the number 2 spot year after year. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. I’m just wondering like what the best stack of prohormones would be. This is a stronger androgen being that it converts to DHT and isn't 100% like test. Try a 1andro 4andro stack instead of the sarms . #9. You should be able to better maintain your energy level and libido. 1 andro is rough on some ppl. Adding a Test Base would really help with the notorious LGD lethargy. Awards. clostebol), and stacking with eradicate for some otc AI support. . As soon as I introduced super 4 andro it went away and had extremely high. I started this in another section but I’m going to import a lot of those posts here. Application is optimal on clean skin with minimal hair. Androsterone converts to DHT, so it's a nice addition to many cycles and should increase libido. And I think 1 pump per day for a week comes out to around 110mg test per week. PM me. *strong supplement shop rep*. Honestly I'm just gunna run epistane for fun, and am using the 4andro to help with the lethargy. 4-androsterone converts to 4-androstenediol and 4-androstenedione. Rad140 use a test base. PCT – Nolva 20/20/10/10 + Rebirth + Test Booster (still deciding which) Epiandro – 2 caps a day (100mg) R-Andro – 2-3 pumps a day (75mg per pump) Ordered 4-andro a couple weeks into the cycle, as well as a 2nd epiandro bottle to extend cycle. Black stone labs was a fun company I used to drink theirs stacks like tictaks I was on chosen one brutal force and abnormal stack with eradicate and I used an Amazon pct after cycle. I promise you, pinning isn't very hard or scary, especially for the small dose you need as a base. Done andro bulking stack 3 months ago, amazing results, but just dont wanna take ph again, once was enough. If your running dbol you won't need a test base dbol with rad alone should be fine without running the 4 andro plus you will be running 2 wet compounds if you run all 3 keep an eye on your estrogen Reply Liver support won't harm you though. Fusion Supplements sells cyclodextrin 4-ADiol product in the UK with 125 mg / pill and the minimun dose is regarded to be 3 pills a day. Application is optimal on clean skin with minimal hair. 1andro converts to 1-testosterone which is different than regular testosterone. Rated 4. Olympus labs new product looks very intriguing. 10mg nolva everyday would be best imo. Eur J Appl Physiol 2000;81:229-232. yup epiandro is supposed to work against on cycle lethargy, so it would have the same purpouse as a test base. 1-Andro = 200mg ED 4-Andro = 200mg ED Ostarine = 20mg ED Ligandrol = 10mg ED. Business, Economics, and Finance. It is best to split the dose into two equal parts. #6. 48. To my knowledge 4 Andro and YK11 are sort of hard on the liver. Menu. 30 nolva 30 clomid for 2 weeks and then 15 nolva and 15clomid for 1, followed by 2-4 weeks without anything. So your takin the prohormone to the prohormone of test. That's way too much work. Around 300mg of 4-Andro is the perfect dose for me for most cycles (including an Epi cycle I ran a while back). Super 4-Andro Cream. You can start at week 2-3 and keep using it even a week or two after the cycle as a mini PCT. A test base is a wet compound. Help with the water retention form the. Week 7 - 20mg Ostarine / 100mg 4andro cream / 12. if I recall correctly (And it’s been a while so could be wrong) 4-ad converts about 15. Running at base doses you should be okay though. It’s a DHEA derivative that converts to Test when in the body (Hence why some have tried it, including myself, as a bit of an oral test base). In this example, I’ve used Enclomiphene, but you could also use 4-Andro as a test base followed by a double SERM PCT for four weeks. Get Hi Tech Pharmaceuticals Androdiol and double dose it. I found 4-Andro worked well. I’m just really hoping it’s a solid product. kidguti2021. You are going to repeat this for 4 to 8 weeks, depending on how long you choose to run your cycle. Also, 4 andro is supposed to provide some potential wet gains on its own. Awards 2. Also, even running 4-Andro by itself, I experienced significant suppression. Super 4-Andro Cream . i bought a transport matrix to hold the 1,4 andro. 4 Andro gave me the rash but everyone is different. 4-andro helps me as a test base it keeps me stable. Fucking nothing at all. Ultra hard alone will increase libido/moood/energy on its own. Epi-Andro is absolutely not a good test base. Most important addition to 1-Andro run is test/4-Andro/DHEA. Getting to the midpoint of cycle and expect base strength to increase by 15% by time cycle is over. 1. Epiandro will provide the same "base" as 4 andro but is a lot drier and has no estrogen conversion. Which of the two would be a better test base? (for a cycle with dry bulkers) I am guessing 4 andro (@ 330 mg Ed) would be better seeing as it converts into testosterone itself, as opposed to DHT like Epi. Andros are metabolites of DHEA (aka the master hormone). Jul 14, 2015. . Hi there new to the forum and first post. Jul 9, 2015. In most cases, it is best to take 4-Andro from 6 to 8 weeks at a time and then take a break for the same period of time, as well as get proper post-cycle therapy. I would really recommend Andro-Hard it’s like 40 bucks and would last you 2. Earn 30 - 108 points upon purchasing this product. Datmetaldrummer95 • 4 yr. If you don’t mind the pinning take a look at IGF-DES. 2. Each androgel pump has 20mg as well. I started at 15mg per day and titrated my way up to 20mg per day, split into two doses. That was the 1st and last time not using a Test base. I can tell you most of us didn't take any test base just worked out hard and had a solid pct. Valheim; Genshin Impact; Minecraft; Pokimane; Halo Infinite. That said they do take a least a few weeks to kick in at the following doses: 1 andro: 330 mg/ed. Andros are metabolites of DHEA (aka the master hormone). If you take any more than that, 4-andro will have anabolic effects on its own. but I should add that I was also running OL's epiando with it. New. I'll most likely stick to primarily sarms and run a ph/as cycle once a year or so. I'd go with real test tbh. You can use dhea or possibly 4 Andro as a test base because they aromatize into estro. Make sure to run a proper PCT too. “DHEA converts into a bunch of different hormones within the body, one of them being Estrogen. Injecting testosterone creates a lot of new problems for you that you need to solve. Sweet, thanks for the support! More to come! SwoleNation Member. #4. i was going to stack 12g of 1,4 andro dermal with a Big1 w/ 6g of 1-Test added to it, 2 bottles of 1-T estergels by molecular to total around 600mg of 1-Test and 400-600mg of 1,4 andro for 40 days. I’m going to take a guess and say it may be due to excess stress on your liver, both LDG and 4-andro will go through the liver to be metabolized. ♦️TRY MORE IRONMAG LABS PRODUCTS♦️Super 1-Andro - Ok here we go on s23. So androtest (fusion supps) is 4ad, the Andro with 15% conversation rate to Test. I wouldn't have bothered with the 4 andro either. It’s taken for the conversion to estrogen which also tanks on sarms. or 4-andro prohormone. #4. This will be my 4 week update on ironmag labs topical 4 andro. #1. Your base will depend on your goals, DHEA -Standard Base -Least Side Effects -Least Added Benefits Epi-Andro (250mg-1000mg) -Leaning Base -Increased Fat/Water Loss -Increased Aggression -Possible DHT Side Effects 4-Andro (220mg-330mg) -Bulking Base . Epiandro Oral + TD ratios; general ratios blending TD & Oral solutions. Just trying to avoid a heavy test suppressionThe most classic test base is of course injectable testosterone, once a week. 1 pump of 4-andro isn’t going to come close to 130mgs of test. You're better off using dermacrine or 4-andro. Week 5 I’m throwing in IML 4-Andro cream, 2 pumps per day as somewhat of a test base as my natural test starts to suppress into the later weeks of my cycle. 4-Andro ends up converting to test at like 5% rate or something. Or. 4 andro is much better than running no test base Reply More posts from r/prohormones. 10-12 hours later, take 1 tablet of 4-ANDRO on an empty stomach. Running it with a "base" compound is a much better idea. If you are using multiple Andros, simply follow the twice per day dosing schedule, and take your. The difference between 4-Andro and 1-Andro is that 1-Andro is a dry bulking agent that helps to produce lean muscle gains with little to no water retention. #1 Hello i am 35 y old boy 1,83 m 86 kg 12 % bf 128 3*8 bench press i ran 1 andro rx and 4 andro iron mag labs in stack. Use Ironmaglabs topical 4andro as a test base for an oral like anavar, tbol etc. Apply 1 pump of transdermal 4-Andro Cream twice daily, once in the morning and once in the evening. Using Enclo and/or 4-andro as a test base for S23 is the equivalent of throwing a bucket of water onto a wildfire. Or you could use estrodiol to keep you estro in order. Oggi faremo un confronto tra il 4-andro e il dhea. Then you have enclomiphene citrate, but very few reliable sources : Express PCT is the classic,Why do people always recommend transdermal 4 andro or dermacrine for test bases? Does oral 4andro workRad 140 and 4-andro. In my opinion they’re a waste of time. Anyone taken 19-nor Andro products, like Hi-tech decabolin? Just curious on dosage, results, stacking with other things? Finishing up a month of it and their 1 test. 4andro actually converts to test. This thread is archived. Others are best when ran with 4 andro or other test base, solo they kind of suck and require a high dose that makes it super expensive. Apr 18, 2019. you don't need test. Op, another alternative would be to use more 4 andro and epiandro, or, drop the 1 andro out and replace it with something. "The real deal 4 andro test base for your stacks or for your bulk , as. s use it for hormone replacement therapy. Nov 10, 2016. The reason for the test base is not necessarily for the testosterone. Hello Doctors, I was wondering if 4-Andro was a product this forum highly recommends and endorses, and if so, to be used only as a test base when…I’m currently 4 (out of 8)weeks into my rad 140 cycle(15 mg a day). 🧿 FULL SOURCE-LIST 🚨 ⇝ 🌟 ☽. Applying after a shower is recommended, also timing one dose prior to workout may be beneficial. Just sort of an open ended question would it yield more gains would it be more protective to hormones or would it further exasperate the need for a pct. ago. Blood drops or oral trest have extremely short half life though so best stacked with TD trest but you already said you cant use any TD's. Unfortunately, oral DHEA is not very bioavailable so finding a good dose could be difficult. SmellyFromUnderCheez • 2 yr. Test bases are recommended with anything surpressive. The ORIGINAL 1 step 4-andro converts to testosterone at around 15%. Starting it tomorrow. Bro. I wouldn't run either without a test base . Ok-Dot-4835.